Keléstia's location modules include both "Quality" and "Price" ratings. The Price Ratings run from Very Low (£) to Very High (£££££).
The key for these price symbols (as provided on Chélemby 30, or Kolâdis 14, for instance), is:
£ - Very Low - less than or equal to 60% of average price
££ - Low - between 61% and 80% of average price
£££ - Average - between 81% and 120% of average price
££££ - High - between 121% to 175% of average price
£££££ - Very High - 176% or higher of average price
I will leave you weapon and armour questions to Ken :)
I've been reading over the books and I think it could work very well, but I'm having some trouble with the more technologically advanced parts of warhammer (flintlocks and Fencing weapons for example).
I think that HârnMaster Gold would work well for the "Enemy Within" campaign.
Characters in HMG don't become very powerful very easily. Because there are no levels - only individual skills, and no hit points or other such arbitrary mechanisms, they are *always* vulnerable to some extent, no matter how experienced they become.
The combat would be sufficiently gritty and dangerous, and the magic (which could be successfully adapted from HMG Shek-Pvar) and the religious powers (i.e. invocations from "Religion" in HMG Player Edition) wouldn't be too powerful, even at the end.
The issue with the magic system is more of the list setup and how it's broken down just didn't fit the Warhammer setting very well. Just didn't feel right no matter what we tried. In the end we just used it more or less as is (and removed the realm of mentalism).
Though I'll admit the ease at the end was probably more a fact that this last time I used the Empire at War instead of the original Empire in Flames for the final part.
I know quite a few people have used RoleMaster (in its various incarnations) for Hârn, but you are quite right that you need to carefully manage the magic system.
What is stopping you, as GM, making spells above a certain level on the spell tables 'unavailable' as a way of keeping RM magic 'in balance'?
I actually quite like your arrangement - I can see that a suitably "single-minded" SK church could fit the 'government' role really well. I think our 'difference' is, as I said, simply the view of what the alignment names mean - which, since HM has none, causes me no grief at all :-)
As for the ship - I agree with you, actually; we originally had it as a nivik, but various folk had various reasons to want it to be bigger, IIRC...
Great job guys! I'm really impressed with what I've been able to go through so far. Still digesting and will be for some time.
One thing though that I hoped would be in the module but wasn't. The royal arms for Emelrene. Am I missing it? And if not is it possible to give the blazon, if it exists?
SK: The organization which experimented on Kiba/River is trying to "do good." Specifically, it seeks to preserve/advance a stable society for the betterment of all, even if doing so means taking the occasional ruthless action. I think this fits what Parliament (or at least an influential cabal therein) is trying to do in the Firefly/Serenity universe like a blue glove . . . and it's also almost word-for-word what the SK article defines his church's mission to be.
And I think I figured out how to make the Gargun into SK's fault: Lothrim was a renegade SK priest, trying to rush the creation of a truly ordered society, centuries or even millenia ahead of it's time. This view makes him a messianic leader, in the mold of Jim Jones and Marshall Applewhite. He knew what was "right" and was going to make sure it happened, no matter what.
NOTE: I had to google Applewhite's name, BTW. Just so you know I'm not some death cult groupie. :)
FIREFLY/LORKIN: I don't like the type of boat chosen. A Firefly is a highly-maneuverable boat, whereas a dak/cog (with single square mainsail and almost-square hull) is a slug. Even though it's a bit modern (dating from the 1400s rather than the 1300s), I think a two- or three-masted caravel makes a much more Firefly-like option. On such a boat, Kayly/Kaylee's main task becomes changing the sail-rig between agile-but-relatively-low-powered lateen sails (for inshore work) and clumsy-but-relatively-high-powered square sails (for ocean crossings) as needed.
Wow - I think your definition of 'neutral good' is a tad different from mine! This was always a problem with "alignment" - there are huge (IRL) questions around what "good" and "evil" mean, and even "law" and "chaos" can be interpreted in radically different ways. Overall, I'm glad HârnMaster ditched the concept...
I downloaded (from another site . . .) a bit of fan-fic which recasts the crew from Joss Whedon's Firefly TV show onto Harn.
I found it very interesting. But the author has the organization who messed with River be The Order Of The Crimson Dancer. Eh? When did they get involved in manipulating society from behind the scenes? And why would a wealthy family send a daughter off to be schooled by AGRIKANS?!
Much better: a school run by SK's church (which rarely accepts even lay adherents, let alone non-adherents) approaches a wealthy family with the offer of a place for their exceptional daughter . . . who's proving impossible to marry off, as she intimidates every acceptable suitor who applies. The Tams jump at the chance.
Yep. My SK is still NG. His church re-builds "River" into an assassin, in Service to the Greater Good. Just as the Operative preaches to Mal, in "Serenity."
Now . . . how to make the Gargun SK's fault . . . hmmm. :)
Not only was that a good occupation table, but you can also extract a good bit of demographic information from it. Maybe that data is elsewhere and I missed it, but I don't recall ever seeing it compiled so precisely. Talk about making settlement generation easier!
TULWYNI: In submitting my previous posts, I had to re-read the Tulwyn article twice, before I noticed:
"Tolls collected are taken to the overchief who divides them fairly among the tribes."
Followed a bit later by:
"Even the great seasonal caravans exchange gifts with the Tulwyni who will usually must a force thirty leagues from Taztos to intercept them for this purpose."
Note that only one force is mustered for each seasonal caravan, with the toll collected distributed "fairly among the tribes." Thus, there would likely be effects on Tulwyn internal politics only if the specific distribution changes. Is the distribution based on which and how much of a particular tribe's lands are crossed? Or is it based on some other factor (such as the tribe's ranking relative to other tribes)? If the latter applies - very likely or else the lead Kirandar tribe would get NONE of the loot (per the tribal range map in the Tulwyn article, which shows the Salt Route lying completely outside its range) - there is no risk of internal upheaval.
Also - by the same map - the new route hardly crosses the "heart" of Tulwyn territory. The current route crosses the territory of 10 of the 29 sovereign tribes. The new one crosses the territory of only 5 tribes or even just 3 (if the Farin is used to complete the last leg upstream to Trobridge, with a tow-path along the eastern bank). Of course, one of these is the lead Kirandar tribe but the crossing is through the narrowest and hilliest extent of their range (rather than it's "heart").
THARDAN - To my mind, this is the most likely the source of the reason a shorter route has not been developed yet. Moleryn is the capital of Ramala Province; routing the caravan elsewhere would severely reduce the lucrativeness of the post. Of course, it would likewise *increase* the lucrativeness of other posts (namely Firis and Estane, the latter of which must currently be very minor, in Lucrativeness Rankings). So changing the route would depend upon finding a Senator with the right mixture of craftiness and patience. Such a paragon could bargain himself into possession of these seemingly-minor posts without being too obvious about it, at the same time that he arranges a quiet deal with the Mercantyler's Guild to possibly re-route their flatboats at some future date . . . and hires the PCs to secretly build him a trail 15-20 leagues in length (with most of it through hilly wilderness), negotiating it with the Tulwyn as they go.
I don't have access to the interactive map (still too poor).
But the Gargun information in Harndex says they generally have a hunting radius of two to three map hexes around the marked site. The new route is rather a bit further away than this.
While the occasional swarm would be a danger (these seem able to reach the heart of the Tulwyn range), Gargun patrols or hunting parties probably aren't. Like the other poster said, there's an entire Tulwyn sovereign tribe (the Mylmoc) between Korego and the new route. Even if the Gargun stick to the heights (which the Tulwyn avoid) on the way southwest, they would still need to come down through foothills controlled by another sovereign tribe (the Tuga) before reaching the new route.
I spent way too much time on the weekend with the interactive Venarive map open and the printed module in my other hand cross referencing locations and plotting campaign ideas.
Covers the whole region of northwestern Lýthia, including history, culture, economics, law, military, and religion, as well as descriptions of over 60 realms.
I started writting something and it kicked me off! Will not let me disconnect and reconnect.
Allan
There is only the symbol on the right. I will try disconnecting and reconnecting.
Allan
Did you try clicking on this small "globe symbol" below the input field to reconnect?
/
Jack
Keléstia's location modules include both "Quality" and "Price" ratings. The Price Ratings run from Very Low (£) to Very High (£££££).
The key for these price symbols (as provided on Chélemby 30, or Kolâdis 14, for instance), is:
£ - Very Low - less than or equal to 60% of average price
££ - Low - between 61% and 80% of average price
£££ - Average - between 81% and 120% of average price
££££ - High - between 121% to 175% of average price
£££££ - Very High - 176% or higher of average price
I will leave you weapon and armour questions to Ken :)
Hi Allan,
The GM's Edition is correct. Spirit's Skill base should be calculated as (Aura + Will + Will) / 3
Hi
You will probably find the material from Bill Gant on http://www.warfail.com
quite helpful then :)
Jeremy
I've been reading over the books and I think it could work very well, but I'm having some trouble with the more technologically advanced parts of warhammer (flintlocks and Fencing weapons for example).
I am very interested to hear how a Harn version of the Enemy Within campaign goes.
I expect the style of the HM system (particularly HMG) will suit the flavour of the campaign really well.
Sorry - I misinterpreted your original query.
I think that HârnMaster Gold would work well for the "Enemy Within" campaign.
Characters in HMG don't become very powerful very easily. Because there are no levels - only individual skills, and no hit points or other such arbitrary mechanisms, they are *always* vulnerable to some extent, no matter how experienced they become.
The combat would be sufficiently gritty and dangerous, and the magic (which could be successfully adapted from HMG Shek-Pvar) and the religious powers (i.e. invocations from "Religion" in HMG Player Edition) wouldn't be too powerful, even at the end.
Hope this is more helpful!
Regards
Jeremy
The issue with the magic system is more of the list setup and how it's broken down just didn't fit the Warhammer setting very well. Just didn't feel right no matter what we tried. In the end we just used it more or less as is (and removed the realm of mentalism).
Though I'll admit the ease at the end was probably more a fact that this last time I used the Empire at War instead of the original Empire in Flames for the final part.
Hi
I know quite a few people have used RoleMaster (in its various incarnations) for Hârn, but you are quite right that you need to carefully manage the magic system.
What is stopping you, as GM, making spells above a certain level on the spell tables 'unavailable' as a way of keeping RM magic 'in balance'?
Cheers
Jeremy
I actually quite like your arrangement - I can see that a suitably "single-minded" SK church could fit the 'government' role really well. I think our 'difference' is, as I said, simply the view of what the alignment names mean - which, since HM has none, causes me no grief at all :-)
As for the ship - I agree with you, actually; we originally had it as a nivik, but various folk had various reasons to want it to be bigger, IIRC...
Great job guys! I'm really impressed with what I've been able to go through so far. Still digesting and will be for some time.
One thing though that I hoped would be in the module but wasn't. The royal arms for Emelrene. Am I missing it? And if not is it possible to give the blazon, if it exists?
Thanks,
Richard
SK: The organization which experimented on Kiba/River is trying to "do good." Specifically, it seeks to preserve/advance a stable society for the betterment of all, even if doing so means taking the occasional ruthless action. I think this fits what Parliament (or at least an influential cabal therein) is trying to do in the Firefly/Serenity universe like a blue glove . . . and it's also almost word-for-word what the SK article defines his church's mission to be.
And I think I figured out how to make the Gargun into SK's fault: Lothrim was a renegade SK priest, trying to rush the creation of a truly ordered society, centuries or even millenia ahead of it's time. This view makes him a messianic leader, in the mold of Jim Jones and Marshall Applewhite. He knew what was "right" and was going to make sure it happened, no matter what.
NOTE: I had to google Applewhite's name, BTW. Just so you know I'm not some death cult groupie. :)
FIREFLY/LORKIN: I don't like the type of boat chosen. A Firefly is a highly-maneuverable boat, whereas a dak/cog (with single square mainsail and almost-square hull) is a slug. Even though it's a bit modern (dating from the 1400s rather than the 1300s), I think a two- or three-masted caravel makes a much more Firefly-like option. On such a boat, Kayly/Kaylee's main task becomes changing the sail-rig between agile-but-relatively-low-powered lateen sails (for inshore work) and clumsy-but-relatively-high-powered square sails (for ocean crossings) as needed.
It was one of Kerry Mould's Friends, Foes and Followers, available on Lýthia.com. Here ya go:
http://www.lythia.com/2008/01/fff6/
It comes with details of the Dak "Lorkin" - the Kèthîran incarnation of the Firefly herself...
Hi everyone
These issues have now all been fixed.
If you have already purchased Venârivè, please feel free to download an updated version.
All new downloads will have these fixes included.
Regards
Jeremy
I find the idea of recasting Firefly on to Harn to be highly amusing as I am a big fan of both. Please link the site you found!
Wow - I think your definition of 'neutral good' is a tad different from mine! This was always a problem with "alignment" - there are huge (IRL) questions around what "good" and "evil" mean, and even "law" and "chaos" can be interpreted in radically different ways. Overall, I'm glad HârnMaster ditched the concept...
I downloaded (from another site . . .) a bit of fan-fic which recasts the crew from Joss Whedon's Firefly TV show onto Harn.
I found it very interesting. But the author has the organization who messed with River be The Order Of The Crimson Dancer. Eh? When did they get involved in manipulating society from behind the scenes? And why would a wealthy family send a daughter off to be schooled by AGRIKANS?!
Much better: a school run by SK's church (which rarely accepts even lay adherents, let alone non-adherents) approaches a wealthy family with the offer of a place for their exceptional daughter . . . who's proving impossible to marry off, as she intimidates every acceptable suitor who applies. The Tams jump at the chance.
Yep. My SK is still NG. His church re-builds "River" into an assassin, in Service to the Greater Good. Just as the Operative preaches to Mal, in "Serenity."
Now . . . how to make the Gargun SK's fault . . . hmmm. :)
Not only was that a good occupation table, but you can also extract a good bit of demographic information from it. Maybe that data is elsewhere and I missed it, but I don't recall ever seeing it compiled so precisely. Talk about making settlement generation easier!
Highly recommended - thank you, Jeremy!
Thanks Ian...
Even with all the hours of checking and reviewing, we knew there would be some slips... Thanks for taking the time to point these out.
We will get right on to addressing them. Once they are incorporated, I will let everyone know, and you will be able to re-download the updated file.
Jeremy
PS - if anyone else spots a typo, please feel free to email me - fastred AT mac DOT com
J
TULWYNI: In submitting my previous posts, I had to re-read the Tulwyn article twice, before I noticed:
"Tolls collected are taken to the overchief who divides them fairly among the tribes."
Followed a bit later by:
"Even the great seasonal caravans exchange gifts with the Tulwyni who will usually must a force thirty leagues from Taztos to intercept them for this purpose."
Note that only one force is mustered for each seasonal caravan, with the toll collected distributed "fairly among the tribes." Thus, there would likely be effects on Tulwyn internal politics only if the specific distribution changes. Is the distribution based on which and how much of a particular tribe's lands are crossed? Or is it based on some other factor (such as the tribe's ranking relative to other tribes)? If the latter applies - very likely or else the lead Kirandar tribe would get NONE of the loot (per the tribal range map in the Tulwyn article, which shows the Salt Route lying completely outside its range) - there is no risk of internal upheaval.
Also - by the same map - the new route hardly crosses the "heart" of Tulwyn territory. The current route crosses the territory of 10 of the 29 sovereign tribes. The new one crosses the territory of only 5 tribes or even just 3 (if the Farin is used to complete the last leg upstream to Trobridge, with a tow-path along the eastern bank). Of course, one of these is the lead Kirandar tribe but the crossing is through the narrowest and hilliest extent of their range (rather than it's "heart").
THARDAN - To my mind, this is the most likely the source of the reason a shorter route has not been developed yet. Moleryn is the capital of Ramala Province; routing the caravan elsewhere would severely reduce the lucrativeness of the post. Of course, it would likewise *increase* the lucrativeness of other posts (namely Firis and Estane, the latter of which must currently be very minor, in Lucrativeness Rankings). So changing the route would depend upon finding a Senator with the right mixture of craftiness and patience. Such a paragon could bargain himself into possession of these seemingly-minor posts without being too obvious about it, at the same time that he arranges a quiet deal with the Mercantyler's Guild to possibly re-route their flatboats at some future date . . . and hires the PCs to secretly build him a trail 15-20 leagues in length (with most of it through hilly wilderness), negotiating it with the Tulwyn as they go.
I don't have access to the interactive map (still too poor).
But the Gargun information in Harndex says they generally have a hunting radius of two to three map hexes around the marked site. The new route is rather a bit further away than this.
While the occasional swarm would be a danger (these seem able to reach the heart of the Tulwyn range), Gargun patrols or hunting parties probably aren't. Like the other poster said, there's an entire Tulwyn sovereign tribe (the Mylmoc) between Korego and the new route. Even if the Gargun stick to the heights (which the Tulwyn avoid) on the way southwest, they would still need to come down through foothills controlled by another sovereign tribe (the Tuga) before reaching the new route.
I spent way too much time on the weekend with the interactive Venarive map open and the printed module in my other hand cross referencing locations and plotting campaign ideas.
Crickey, that was a good table. Recommend anyone else have a look and give it some thought.
Allan