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  • "New topics" and "Recent comments"   11 years 10 weeks ago

    You could immdiately reply to your new topic with an answer that has the same title as the intial topic...then it would come up as a recent comment!!!

  • Trade 101   11 years 10 weeks ago

    Don't worry - I won't let Robin be distracted...

    J.

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  • Trade 101   11 years 10 weeks ago

    Don't worry - I won't let Robin be distracted...

    J.

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    Fástred na Beréma,
    Rówanti na Sávè-k’nôr

  • Kethiran races.   11 years 10 weeks ago

    Perhaps I am conflating published canon with material I've written and which may never see the light of day, but I could swear that I have somewhere run across comments about dark-skinned travelers from Anzeloria and possibly "swarthy" folk from Hepekeria. If so, it would presumably be in material about a port town, perhaps Cherafir?

    As noted elsewhere, the idea of three races on Earth is essentially a 19th century idea which has now been pretty much trodden into the ground.

  • Kethiran races.   11 years 10 weeks ago

    Perhaps I am conflating published canon with material I've written and which may never see the light of day, but I could swear that I have somewhere run across comments about dark-skinned travelers from Anzeloria and possibly "swarthy" folk from Hepekeria. If so, it would presumably be in material about a port town, perhaps Cherafir?

    As noted elsewhere, the idea of three races on Earth is essentially a 19th century idea which has now been pretty much trodden into the ground.

  • Kethiran races.   11 years 10 weeks ago

    Well, first of all, I'm not sure the word 'race' gets properly used much on Terra. I think it's synonymous with species, in which case there is only one human race, unified by the ability to inter-breed. However, within that species there are certain variations, mainly due to isolated development in different climes over very long periods of time. This is what I think you're asking about.

    Language families generally reflect ethnic and 'racial' divisions, on Kèthîra as well as Terra.

    Frankly, some of this we have not yet nailed down, especially in regard to the Far East of Lýthia.

    Living in a tropical/equatorial climate for a very long period of time does darken the skin.

    The people of Central Anzelôria are what we might call 'black', as are at least some folk in Southeastern Lýthia and Mernat. However, there are going to be some analogous distributions of 'racial attributes' which will present something of a mystery to those who study the ethnicity of Kèthîra. This is going to be a long term puzzle (for your edification and entertainment) involving language, culture and psycho-physical attributes.

  • Kethiran races.   11 years 10 weeks ago

    Well, first of all, I'm not sure the word 'race' gets properly used much on Terra. I think it's synonymous with species, in which case there is only one human race, unified by the ability to inter-breed. However, within that species there are certain variations, mainly due to isolated development in different climes over very long periods of time. This is what I think you're asking about.

    Language families generally reflect ethnic and 'racial' divisions, on Kèthîra as well as Terra.

    Frankly, some of this we have not yet nailed down, especially in regard to the Far East of Lýthia.

    Living in a tropical/equatorial climate for a very long period of time does darken the skin.

    The people of Central Anzelôria are what we might call 'black', as are at least some folk in Southeastern Lýthia and Mernat. However, there are going to be some analogous distributions of 'racial attributes' which will present something of a mystery to those who study the ethnicity of Kèthîra. This is going to be a long term puzzle (for your edification and entertainment) involving language, culture and psycho-physical attributes.

  • Trade 101   11 years 10 weeks ago

    "If I thought anyone would be interested"

    Yes, definitely. But not if it interrupts work on Chelemby City. :)

    Dan.

  • Trade 101   11 years 10 weeks ago

    "If I thought anyone would be interested"

    Yes, definitely. But not if it interrupts work on Chelemby City. :)

    Dan.

  • Trade 101   11 years 10 weeks ago

    Citing my second favourite Clavell was a good idea. That book can certainly be used to set a mood.

    Another prima facie anachronistic period piece is the BBC (or ITV?) TV series: The "Onedin Line". It is about a ruthless man running a shipping business in the age of the clipper ship (hence the anachronism). This kind of thing can set the mood, but it can also offer useful (and rather timeless) ideas on how businesses operate.

    It is difficult to role-play trade. In theory, the GM has to know where every ship is, what it's carrying, what it paid for its cargo, and what the prices are for each comodity in each market. I haven't figured out how to do that yet... but I'll let you know when I do.

    Meanwhile, I do have some rough and ready rules for operating 'patronage investments'. If I thought anyone would be interested, I might make them available ;)

  • Trade 101   11 years 10 weeks ago

    Citing my second favourite Clavell was a good idea. That book can certainly be used to set a mood.

    Another prima facie anachronistic period piece is the BBC (or ITV?) TV series: The "Onedin Line". It is about a ruthless man running a shipping business in the age of the clipper ship (hence the anachronism). This kind of thing can set the mood, but it can also offer useful (and rather timeless) ideas on how businesses operate.

    It is difficult to role-play trade. In theory, the GM has to know where every ship is, what it's carrying, what it paid for its cargo, and what the prices are for each comodity in each market. I haven't figured out how to do that yet... but I'll let you know when I do.

    Meanwhile, I do have some rough and ready rules for operating 'patronage investments'. If I thought anyone would be interested, I might make them available ;)

  • Trade 101   11 years 10 weeks ago

    Just to add to what others have said, there is a lovely example of 'buying up notes' in the James Clavell book 'Tai Pan'.

    The book is about the early opium/tea trade in HongKong, and our hero Dirk Struan of Struans' (the 'Noble House' - i.e. the biggest merchant house in the China trade). Struan's sworn enemy, Brock, manages to buy up all of Struan's paper (i.e. promissory notes) having heard that the Struans' bank in Britain has problems and has sent no cash.

    Struan is in trouble but manages to cut a deal with a Chinese merchant who supplies around a ton of silver in return for a debt note and four halves of broken coins. Struan/the Noble House takes on an obligation to do 'anything in its power' for any individual who presents one of these four coin halves in the future (after it has been checked against the other halves, held by Sturan, obviously - how's that for a plot hook?).

    Having brokered this deal, Struan has the silver piled up (under cover of darkness) on the beach, under a tarpaulin. When Brock demands payment for all the notes that just 'happen to be in his posession', Dirk announces that 'the Noble House has decided to pay cash!' and has the tarpaulin removed. 'It's all yours' he grins as he leaves Brock with a huge pile of precious metal on a beach full of longshorement, soldiers, merchants, sailors and sundry other townsfolk...

  • Trade 101   11 years 10 weeks ago

    Just to add to what others have said, there is a lovely example of 'buying up notes' in the James Clavell book 'Tai Pan'.

    The book is about the early opium/tea trade in HongKong, and our hero Dirk Struan of Struans' (the 'Noble House' - i.e. the biggest merchant house in the China trade). Struan's sworn enemy, Brock, manages to buy up all of Struan's paper (i.e. promissory notes) having heard that the Struans' bank in Britain has problems and has sent no cash.

    Struan is in trouble but manages to cut a deal with a Chinese merchant who supplies around a ton of silver in return for a debt note and four halves of broken coins. Struan/the Noble House takes on an obligation to do 'anything in its power' for any individual who presents one of these four coin halves in the future (after it has been checked against the other halves, held by Sturan, obviously - how's that for a plot hook?).

    Having brokered this deal, Struan has the silver piled up (under cover of darkness) on the beach, under a tarpaulin. When Brock demands payment for all the notes that just 'happen to be in his posession', Dirk announces that 'the Noble House has decided to pay cash!' and has the tarpaulin removed. 'It's all yours' he grins as he leaves Brock with a huge pile of precious metal on a beach full of longshorement, soldiers, merchants, sailors and sundry other townsfolk...

  • Trade 101   11 years 10 weeks ago

    And getting caught committing arson in a close-built town with a lot of wood construction provides an opportunity for role-playing a trial and execution.

    "Well, I never liked that PC anyway and was looking for an excuse to roll up a new one."

  • Trade 101   11 years 10 weeks ago

    And getting caught committing arson in a close-built town with a lot of wood construction provides an opportunity for role-playing a trial and execution.

    "Well, I never liked that PC anyway and was looking for an excuse to roll up a new one."

  • Trade 101   11 years 10 weeks ago

    You know, a warehouse full of 900 tuns of wool and wine and who-konws-what-else is just BEGGING to be burned down by a rival clan . . . Talk about intensifying a clan feud in the marketplace!

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  • Trade 101   11 years 10 weeks ago

    You know, a warehouse full of 900 tuns of wool and wine and who-konws-what-else is just BEGGING to be burned down by a rival clan . . . Talk about intensifying a clan feud in the marketplace!

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  • Trade 101   11 years 11 weeks ago

    Robin and Jeremy,

    Many thanks for very clearly (and patiently) answering these questions at length, and particularly for providing examples. Very helpful.

    I wonder if Wiley have released a For Dummies book on Medieval Trade?

    Dan.

  • Trade 101   11 years 11 weeks ago

    Robin and Jeremy,

    Many thanks for very clearly (and patiently) answering these questions at length, and particularly for providing examples. Very helpful.

    I wonder if Wiley have released a For Dummies book on Medieval Trade?

    Dan.

  • Trade 101   11 years 11 weeks ago

    I think that leaves only one question to answer: How does having a concession house make the gathering of cargoes more efficient?

    Ships (and even wagons for that matter) are most efficient when they are 'full'. A ship that's half in balast is a wasteful ship. Therefore, it pays to assemble cargoes sufficient to 'fill' one's ship, before loading and shipping happens.

    In a locale where one has to pay a bonding fee, there is money flying out the windows whenever one imports a cargo with the intention of shipping it out again (this is called 're-export', and is the blood in the veins for many trading centres.

    Example
    Joe decides to assemble a 50 tun cargo in Chérafîr. Because he is planning to re-export the goods rather than sell them in Chérafîr, he does not have to pay a hawking fee, but he must put his goods into the government bonding house and pay a monthly bonding fee. It takes Joe twelve months to assemble the 50 tuns he needs:

    Month 1: 20 tuns textiles.......... £10:00 /2,400d
    Month 4: 2 tuns wine.............. £4:00 / 960d
    7 tuns wool.............. £3:10 / 840d
    Month 7: 10 tuns textiles.......... £5:00 /1,200d
    1 tun wine............... £2:00 / 480d
    Month 12: 10 tuns textiles.......... £5:10 /1,320d

    The bonding fee in Chérafîr is 3%. It must be paid on the total value of goods, every month (or fraction thereof) in advance.

    Month 01 Amount in Bond 2,400d, Bonding fee: 72d
    Month 02 Amount in Bond 2,400d, Bonding fee: 72d
    Month 03 Amount in Bond 2,400d, Bonding fee: 72d
    Month 04 Amount in Bond 3,360d, Bonding fee: 101d
    Month 05 Amount in Bond 3,360d, Bonding fee: 101d
    Month 06 Amount in Bond 3,360d, Bonding fee: 101d
    Month 07 Amount in Bond 5,040d, Bonding fee: 151d
    Month 08 Amount in Bond 5,040d, Bonding fee: 151d
    Month 09 Amount in Bond 5,040d, Bonding fee: 151d
    Month 10 Amount in Bond 5,040d, Bonding fee: 151d
    Month 11 Amount in Bond 5,040d, Bonding fee: 151d
    Month 12 Amount in Bond 6,360d, Bonding fee: 191d

    Total bonding fee: £6:02:01d 1465d (about 23% of the total value of the assembled cargo).

    If Joe had assembled the same cargo in Chélemby, and if he were a concessionaire, there would have been no bonding fees at all. That's what I call a more efficient cargo.

    Obviously, this is an extreme case. Most shippers go to extraordinary lengths to avoid taking a whole year to assemble a cargo ... time is money. However, rushing the process can also cause problems. Where one has to pay a bonding fee, one always tries to assemble and turn cargoes over as quickly as possible.

    Another advantage to having a concession house is that holding goods becomes a viable possibility. Since it costs (in effect) nothing to store goods, one has the luxury of buying goods on 'spec' and holding them until the price is right. Also, if your warehouse has 900 tuns of goods... there is a fair chance that you can assemble a reasonable cargo whenever you want to... this can be a marvelous economy.

    There are probably other reasons why having a concession house lets one assemble more efficient cargoes, but for now, I'm very tired... I home *some* of this makes sense :)

  • Trade 101   11 years 11 weeks ago

    I think that leaves only one question to answer: How does having a concession house make the gathering of cargoes more efficient?

    Ships (and even wagons for that matter) are most efficient when they are 'full'. A ship that's half in balast is a wasteful ship. Therefore, it pays to assemble cargoes sufficient to 'fill' one's ship, before loading and shipping happens.

    In a locale where one has to pay a bonding fee, there is money flying out the windows whenever one imports a cargo with the intention of shipping it out again (this is called 're-export', and is the blood in the veins for many trading centres.

    Example
    Joe decides to assemble a 50 tun cargo in Chérafîr. Because he is planning to re-export the goods rather than sell them in Chérafîr, he does not have to pay a hawking fee, but he must put his goods into the government bonding house and pay a monthly bonding fee. It takes Joe twelve months to assemble the 50 tuns he needs:

    Month 1: 20 tuns textiles.......... £10:00 /2,400d
    Month 4: 2 tuns wine.............. £4:00 / 960d
    7 tuns wool.............. £3:10 / 840d
    Month 7: 10 tuns textiles.......... £5:00 /1,200d
    1 tun wine............... £2:00 / 480d
    Month 12: 10 tuns textiles.......... £5:10 /1,320d

    The bonding fee in Chérafîr is 3%. It must be paid on the total value of goods, every month (or fraction thereof) in advance.

    Month 01 Amount in Bond 2,400d, Bonding fee: 72d
    Month 02 Amount in Bond 2,400d, Bonding fee: 72d
    Month 03 Amount in Bond 2,400d, Bonding fee: 72d
    Month 04 Amount in Bond 3,360d, Bonding fee: 101d
    Month 05 Amount in Bond 3,360d, Bonding fee: 101d
    Month 06 Amount in Bond 3,360d, Bonding fee: 101d
    Month 07 Amount in Bond 5,040d, Bonding fee: 151d
    Month 08 Amount in Bond 5,040d, Bonding fee: 151d
    Month 09 Amount in Bond 5,040d, Bonding fee: 151d
    Month 10 Amount in Bond 5,040d, Bonding fee: 151d
    Month 11 Amount in Bond 5,040d, Bonding fee: 151d
    Month 12 Amount in Bond 6,360d, Bonding fee: 191d

    Total bonding fee: £6:02:01d 1465d (about 23% of the total value of the assembled cargo).

    If Joe had assembled the same cargo in Chélemby, and if he were a concessionaire, there would have been no bonding fees at all. That's what I call a more efficient cargo.

    Obviously, this is an extreme case. Most shippers go to extraordinary lengths to avoid taking a whole year to assemble a cargo ... time is money. However, rushing the process can also cause problems. Where one has to pay a bonding fee, one always tries to assemble and turn cargoes over as quickly as possible.

    Another advantage to having a concession house is that holding goods becomes a viable possibility. Since it costs (in effect) nothing to store goods, one has the luxury of buying goods on 'spec' and holding them until the price is right. Also, if your warehouse has 900 tuns of goods... there is a fair chance that you can assemble a reasonable cargo whenever you want to... this can be a marvelous economy.

    There are probably other reasons why having a concession house lets one assemble more efficient cargoes, but for now, I'm very tired... I home *some* of this makes sense :)

  • New Campaign Help   11 years 11 weeks ago

    Thanks, I should be able to pull some plots together, with that list.

  • New Campaign Help   11 years 11 weeks ago

    Thanks, I should be able to pull some plots together, with that list.

  • Trade 101   11 years 11 weeks ago

    Hi Dan

    There are any number of trade "laws" that clan Silkán might *allege* that clan Jâagensen have breached:

    * most importantly, they would probably argue that the Téstrad "improperly" granted Jâagensen a license to fish the Kôladis herring banks, given the "traditional" rights of Kalínby, Banága and Silkán. (Franchises in Chélemby require the approval of both the Tia-Nalári clan and the local authorities, in this case the Kolâdis Téstrad).

    * they might argue that if clan Jâagensen are to be permitted to make use of Kolâdis to land and process their catch, ought to pay a special "tax" to make use of the facilities that the Silkán, Kalínby, Banága and other clans have built up over the years.

    * even though "concessionaires" are supposed to be exempt from hawking and bonding fees in Kolâdis, Silkán might argue that this only applies to clans with clanhouses and/or nalâri (estates) in the Kolâdis district. Thus they could argue that Jâagensen are 'interlopers' from Chélemby Antánalâri (district).

    As noted in the Kolâdis module, Kâl isn't too worried if his legal action is "justified" - he wants to make life so unpleasant for Jâagensen and their allies that they decide to take their business somewhere less difficult...

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  • Trade 101   11 years 11 weeks ago

    Hi Dan

    There are any number of trade "laws" that clan Silkán might *allege* that clan Jâagensen have breached:

    * most importantly, they would probably argue that the Téstrad "improperly" granted Jâagensen a license to fish the Kôladis herring banks, given the "traditional" rights of Kalínby, Banága and Silkán. (Franchises in Chélemby require the approval of both the Tia-Nalári clan and the local authorities, in this case the Kolâdis Téstrad).

    * they might argue that if clan Jâagensen are to be permitted to make use of Kolâdis to land and process their catch, ought to pay a special "tax" to make use of the facilities that the Silkán, Kalínby, Banága and other clans have built up over the years.

    * even though "concessionaires" are supposed to be exempt from hawking and bonding fees in Kolâdis, Silkán might argue that this only applies to clans with clanhouses and/or nalâri (estates) in the Kolâdis district. Thus they could argue that Jâagensen are 'interlopers' from Chélemby Antánalâri (district).

    As noted in the Kolâdis module, Kâl isn't too worried if his legal action is "justified" - he wants to make life so unpleasant for Jâagensen and their allies that they decide to take their business somewhere less difficult...

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    Fástred na Beréma,
    Rówanti na Sávè-k’nôr


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