River travel on the Tirga
Jessee, 20 Dec 2024, 05:23 AM
Howdy,
What is the canon for travel on the River Tirga in Hurisea?
What types of boats/barges used? Would travel on the Volga or the Danube be a better historical parallel?
Ponder on,
JAS
Barge Haulers ...
Would similar to this be canon?
[url]https://www.lazerhorse.org/2016/11/20/barge-haulers-on-the-volga-the-lif...
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JAS
Barge Haulers ...
Would similar to this be canon?
https://www.amusingplanet.com/2019/08/barge-haulers-on-volga.html
Ponder on,
JAS
Incidently, I am part of a
Incidently, I am part of a project doing research on preindustrial trade in the 1st century AD.
Recently, we did some tests with reconstructed Roman barges. One or two men can haul them without problem, making about 1.8 knots upriver.
Historically, people were used more often than animals, it seems. Animals are much more enduring, in most cases (thats what the Austrian army teamsters told us, at least - we are also doing tests with mules to check what speeds beasts of burden were capable off and how far stuff could be transported per day).
A Possibly Useful Resource
Have you come across this: https://archive.org/details/soldierspocketbookfs1874 ?
It's from the 19th century, but the figures it lists for loads possible by mule, horse, ox, elephant etc. and miles per day (estimates for military planning) are pretty timeless.
Pocet Book...
Balesir wrote; Have you come across this: https://archive.org/details/soldierspocketbookfs1874 ?
Pages 39 to 45 is where to find that information. This book is an excellent source of information. Well done Balesir!
Hmmmm ... no trail along the Tirga
Howdy,
While the historical examples of men or draft animals pulling barges/boats upstream are undeniable.
There is no trail or road shown along the Tirga on the Shorkyne map.
This tells me that such practices are not used on the Tirga in canon.
So how do barges and boats move upstream on the Tirga?
Ponder on,
JAS
Another alternative for travel on the Tirga ...
Consider this from early US history on the Ohio River:
- snipped - Because of its construction, descending the river was the only practical way of navigating. The flatboat was designated as “the boat that never came back.” It was broken up at the end of its journey and the lumber used for building houses, furniture, etc.
https://adamsfamilydna.com/2012/12/14/flatboats-and-ohio-rivier-migration/
Ponder on,
JAS
Roads
Jessee, I've been pondering your question since the initial post and would defer to other responders in terms of Terran historical comparisons.
However, I do want to point out that while the Region maps certainly show the four levels of roads in their keys (Paved, Unpaved, Rural Tracks, Wilderness Trails), only the first two show up enough at the Region scale to be considered nearly definitive. It's true many Rural Tracks, indeed, are also displayed in the Hurisea area (and elsewhere), but not necessarily all of them are—and certainly the few Wilderness Trails given are indubitably in the minority. The Atlas scale squares often depict more Rural Tracks and certainly more Wild. Trails.
I do think, however, that your conclusion about the lack of Rural Tracks parallel to the Tîrga likely implies no such "towing trail", but it's not technically disproven—and certainly not for isolated stretches. And it also depends on whether a case could be made for such towing trails being equivalent to Wilderness Trails. Not sure.
I'd like to hear from some of the KP map makers on this topic—I'll see if I can rouse them!
Towing in River
Well, you can always tow in shallow water - historically, this has been done and often might have been the default. I have seen pictures from the 18th century (if I recall correctly) which depict exactly that - often with animals, but sometimes with humans towing.
Not just roads/trail needed ...
Howdy,
You also have to have the infrastructure to support the towing operations, such as way stations/settlements. As noted, the presence of such is not supported by the Shorkyne map. Moreover, the prevailing winds are from the north, so sailing is likely not viable for moving upstream, a major section of the river is oriented north-south.
Rowing seems the only option for moving upstream.
Ponder on,
JAS