Fount of Power, Psionics, and Power of Daras

Alex Greene's picture

It seems to be a logical thing for a Shek-Pvar, e.g. a Savoryan, with an active psionic Talent to create a Major Artefact with Fount of Power / Resurge to offset the horrendous fatigue costs of using their Talent. Have any of your characters used such Artefacts?

DarthLappen's picture

The demand for "Energy Points" is always high for any Shek Pvar or psionic active character. In your case and according my point of view this combination is not sufficient for psionic talents, because according the written description of the Fount of Power those Energy Points "may be used to power spells cast by an attuned user" and a spell isn't a psionic talent even if that talent was created by a spell itself...
... But I'm welomming any new spells from my players to solve that dilemma.
i.e. "Power of *yourplayersname* - which emulates psionic talents with spell like abilities" --> this makes the psionic talents to fit the spell description of fount of power
i.e. "Fount of *yourplayersname* which gives the user EP to power mundane tasks, i.e. psionic tasks" --> seems the simplest way.
i.e. "Charge of *yourplayersname* or Resurge of *yourplayersname*- which modifies the recharged EP for a different usage than the storage is typically created for.
... And if you are the GM you could of course overrule the written description, but this I do not recommend because the consequences are indeed a little bit more complex than simply allowing it. In case of a misfire and a subsequent roll of the misfire chart of say 29 you need quadruple fatigue points "to rechannel/dampen the mess." Also here the fount of power is not appropriate for, because it is again not "casting a spell". With that decision in mind could the Fount according the counseling made before also cover the misfire? And in consequence is the Fount becoming subsequently a more powerful spell than it was intended for? I'd rather say yes and in my opinion as GM I'd rarely enhance player powers so easy except if intended.
In my group I was game-mastering, the Shek-Pvar later convinced a grey master do develop a spell for redistribution of accumulating fatigue points to the most enduring/strong creature. That was the point when oxen become the typical animal companion of the mage ;)

Balesir's picture

That is an interesting angle - and leads me to think of something that seems rare in the SP magic system - consumable magic. One obvious synergy/vector/disguise for fatigue reducing magic might be some sort of foodstuff. Cast a spell to imbue a specific food item with FP that can be taken advantage of by the consumer of the food. So, let's say that a Fývrian develops a spell to enchant a particular recipe of bread (specific spells for this purpose being lower complexity than general ones) and calls it 'lembas' (being of a particularly plagiaristic turn of mind). The spell costs FP to cast, but when eaten (taking several game minutes or just a minute or so, as seems appropriate) some portion of those FP are removed from the eater? Sounds like a simple, servicable spell.

DarthLappen's picture

That there is a reason why a lack of "those consuming" magic is rare: There is Alchemy. So if you think about "creating Lembas" foodstuff, alchemy would come into my mind because it would not prefer Fývrian above other convocations and currently all Energy Point related spells are neutral for game balancing. So allowing Fývrians such type of food, it could shift balance to the Fývrian convocation.
Of course Fývrian seems best fitting for this point, because of healing, life circle and so on, but transforming plantmaterial (wheat, rye and so on) into a dead bread (this is what baking does) seems not to be Fývrian at all. I'd rather prefer a spell which alters the properties of plants to have more potential "recovery from fatigue" parts... or a spell that allows you to digest faster if in need of fatigue points. Just my 2 cents...

Alex Greene's picture

Periapt of Power. Tie that to a loaf of bread. Consume as needed. Once you've eaten all of the bread, you'll have eaten all of the EP. Problem solved.
No need to worry about the Periapt losing power if the bread's half life is shorter than the Periapt's half life.

Balesir's picture

The Fývrian case was meant as an example, not a limitation; I assume that other convocations would have similar effects (incense smoke to breathe in for Pèleáhn, drinkables for Odívshè, script to read for Sàvôrya, etc.). Alchemy is another option to achieve the same(?) ends but, if the Pvârists are right, that uses the same 'elements' as spellcasting does, it just does so more slowly and formulaically.

Different convocations will probably have different challenges with energy recovery effects - which is perhaps why the well known spells for it are neutral.

Periapt of Power is a good option to point out, but it only eliminates fatigue after the fact - which is what you really need for a thing that you need to eat in order to use it - at ML76+. It also doesn't have the limitation that time has to be spent eating it to get the benefit, so I don't particularly see why anyone would make one that way. Specific spells with the added limitation of "must take the time to eat it to get the energy" but the added benefit of "works to eliminate fatigue after it has been acquired" seem an entirely reasonable and rational way to go about it, however. Plus it might count as an 'invented spell' for your graduation to shenâva...

Alex Greene's picture

It might work for you in your pHarn.

Energy Points from Fount of Power, Energy Pool, Periapt of Power et al are meant to offset fatigue used for esoteric purposes, rather than fatigue you spend hauling bricks around or running a mile. It says "casting a spell," but Shek Pvar magic is not the only thing that fatigues magic users. Non-religious tribal magic, summoning Ethereals, and psionics are also esoteric, in the way that sweeping someone's back yard is not.

Periapt of Power does not specify the physical medium of the object being enchanted. Bread is as valid a choice of medium as a big block of quartz. The bread just happens to be consumed to release the Energy Points.

Not what you can't do, but what you can do.

Balesir's picture

Oh, for sure, these are aspects of Pvâric philosophy that have to be explored and discovered for each p-Hârn (and by each gaming group), but I simply point out that the image of a mage trying to stuff bread into their mouth while trying to keep up a spell's cant is somewhat amusing. Especially when that spell doesn't require that it work that way.

One point of Pvâric philosophy that interests me is that, if it is a valid universe model (as opposed to just a way that SPs think magic works), then it implies that all other activities - including psionics, 'tribal' magic and physical activity (including but not limited to sweeping a back yard) - involve the same principles and elements interacting. The only difference with "normal" physical activity would be that the elements are interacting in established, habitual and, one might say, "natural" ways. Basically, either a Shèk-Pvâr casting a spell is really manipulating the forces that underlie reality as a whole or they are deluding themselves, albeit in a manner that appears to have some effect in the real world.

Alex Greene's picture

And telepaths, clairvoyants, pyrokinetics and so on are themselves also manipulating the same Pvaric Principles, only catching fleeting glimpses of the greater teachings of Pvarism as they do so and toiling in ignorance. The Shek-Pvar can see what the psions do, and can emulate their Talents in the form of Shek-Pvar spells with a sophistication that the psions can never imagine.

Balesir's picture

Yeah.

Well, that's what the Shèk-Pvâr think, anyway...